pd052009
04-10 10:22 PM
Bump
This is a supporting thread to the "Want to File I-485 without Current Priority Date? Gather here" thread started by pappu.
As suggested by pappu/starsun, this supporting thread provides impacted members with additional information and tools to help the initiative.
Visit Immigration Voice Wiki (http://immigrationvoice.org/wiki/index.php/Employment_Based_Green_Card#Process_.28EB1.2C_EB2. 2C_and_EB3.29) - for overview of Employment Based - Green Card process
Visit I485 Filing w/o current PD Wiki (http://immigrationvoice.org/wiki/index.php/Current_Grass-Roots_Initiative_-_I-485_Filing_without_Current_Priority_Date) - for overview of this initiative
As pappu stated in the first post of the above referenced thread - some of the ongoing efforts include finding how many IV members would get benefit from such a provision and get basic details such as username/Priority Date of impacted members. Future action items might include drafting documents and letters to support this provision. There maybe actions such as sending emails etc. However we would not be able to open a public action item unless we can have thousands of our members willing to participate in a grassroots action item. This survey intends to understand the needs of our membership for this provision and collect grassroots information.
The fact is we have a dedicated group of volunteers (and we need more) who have been trying their best to spread the message about this initiative so that a strong grass-roots support can be created leading up to launch of the public action items. So far we have around 1100 people who have responded. Based on quick calculations carried out using PERM data, it is estimated that there are at least 60K-70K EB applicants waiting to file I-485/EAD/AP (this is a very conservative estimate..the actual number could be much more). Grass-roots initiatives require time and patience and we request maximum number of impacted folks to participate actively.
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What can you do to participate?
1) Vote on the poll/survey created by Pappu.
http://immigrationvoice.org/forum/forum14-members-forum/1599353-want-to-file-485-when-pd-is-not-current-gather-here.html
Then please send an email to ivcoordinator@gmail.com (starsun) with subject - "I485 filing without current PD - Impacted Member". Include your a) IV username b) Email address c) Phone #, d) State of Residence e) Priority Date - so that grassroot efforts can be coordinated
2) Print out below Flier and circulate at all asian/indian malls/groceries/theaters. Forward the flier to your friends/co-workers and ask them to do the same.
I485 Filing Initiative Flier (http://immigrationvoice.org/wiki/images/a/a8/Flier_I485_latest2.pdf)
3) Volunteers have created a facebook community and an Immigration Voice WIKI page to spread the message about this initiative. Please circulate these links among your friends/co-workers who will be helped.
Please "Share" and "Link" and "send to friend" the facebook community via your Facebook account. Also include these two links when you post on the IV forum.
Facebook - IV I485 filing w/o current PD initiative community (http://www.facebook.com/home.php#!/pages/Immigration-Voice-Grass-roots-Campaigns/150562351660693?v=info)
(Just FYI that you might have to be logged in for the above link to direct to the facebook community. Alternately, search for "Immigration Voice Grass-roots Campaigns" to find the community after logging in. Search "Immigration Voice" to go to the IV's main facebook page)
Immigration Wiki -
I485 Filing Initiative - IV Wiki (http://immigrationvoice.org/wiki/index.php/Current_Grass-Roots_Initiative_-_I-485_Filing_without_Current_Priority_Date)
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PM these members for additional info:
nmdial ; geevikram ; vbkris77 ; ashwin_27 ; snathan
Dedicated members can also join the leaders group: http://groups.google.com/group/485-filing-iv-initiative
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This is a supporting thread to the "Want to File I-485 without Current Priority Date? Gather here" thread started by pappu.
As suggested by pappu/starsun, this supporting thread provides impacted members with additional information and tools to help the initiative.
Visit Immigration Voice Wiki (http://immigrationvoice.org/wiki/index.php/Employment_Based_Green_Card#Process_.28EB1.2C_EB2. 2C_and_EB3.29) - for overview of Employment Based - Green Card process
Visit I485 Filing w/o current PD Wiki (http://immigrationvoice.org/wiki/index.php/Current_Grass-Roots_Initiative_-_I-485_Filing_without_Current_Priority_Date) - for overview of this initiative
As pappu stated in the first post of the above referenced thread - some of the ongoing efforts include finding how many IV members would get benefit from such a provision and get basic details such as username/Priority Date of impacted members. Future action items might include drafting documents and letters to support this provision. There maybe actions such as sending emails etc. However we would not be able to open a public action item unless we can have thousands of our members willing to participate in a grassroots action item. This survey intends to understand the needs of our membership for this provision and collect grassroots information.
The fact is we have a dedicated group of volunteers (and we need more) who have been trying their best to spread the message about this initiative so that a strong grass-roots support can be created leading up to launch of the public action items. So far we have around 1100 people who have responded. Based on quick calculations carried out using PERM data, it is estimated that there are at least 60K-70K EB applicants waiting to file I-485/EAD/AP (this is a very conservative estimate..the actual number could be much more). Grass-roots initiatives require time and patience and we request maximum number of impacted folks to participate actively.
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What can you do to participate?
1) Vote on the poll/survey created by Pappu.
http://immigrationvoice.org/forum/forum14-members-forum/1599353-want-to-file-485-when-pd-is-not-current-gather-here.html
Then please send an email to ivcoordinator@gmail.com (starsun) with subject - "I485 filing without current PD - Impacted Member". Include your a) IV username b) Email address c) Phone #, d) State of Residence e) Priority Date - so that grassroot efforts can be coordinated
2) Print out below Flier and circulate at all asian/indian malls/groceries/theaters. Forward the flier to your friends/co-workers and ask them to do the same.
I485 Filing Initiative Flier (http://immigrationvoice.org/wiki/images/a/a8/Flier_I485_latest2.pdf)
3) Volunteers have created a facebook community and an Immigration Voice WIKI page to spread the message about this initiative. Please circulate these links among your friends/co-workers who will be helped.
Please "Share" and "Link" and "send to friend" the facebook community via your Facebook account. Also include these two links when you post on the IV forum.
Facebook - IV I485 filing w/o current PD initiative community (http://www.facebook.com/home.php#!/pages/Immigration-Voice-Grass-roots-Campaigns/150562351660693?v=info)
(Just FYI that you might have to be logged in for the above link to direct to the facebook community. Alternately, search for "Immigration Voice Grass-roots Campaigns" to find the community after logging in. Search "Immigration Voice" to go to the IV's main facebook page)
Immigration Wiki -
I485 Filing Initiative - IV Wiki (http://immigrationvoice.org/wiki/index.php/Current_Grass-Roots_Initiative_-_I-485_Filing_without_Current_Priority_Date)
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PM these members for additional info:
nmdial ; geevikram ; vbkris77 ; ashwin_27 ; snathan
Dedicated members can also join the leaders group: http://groups.google.com/group/485-filing-iv-initiative
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krishnam70
04-06 12:17 PM
I agree with this 100%, BUT we (US degree holdeers) have to understand that in the GC aspirant community there are tons of people who came in through "desi consultnats" (even this word makes my blood boil), who will never agree with this or support this. Classic Indian mentality, one crab pulling the other back in the basket.
Totoro
Commendable effort. The ideas presented in the forum and your personal experience as well as some research by you were taken to the people who might have some say in this process. The outcome of it does not matter right now, atleast the process has started and we need to follow on it with some targeted activity. Lot of my fellow IV'ians gave suggestions and some presented stories too. I did come across this thread only today and I missed out on an opportunity to present my story but nevertheless others have done so, i am somewhat lucky that despite the pain and hardship I did get my GC a year and half ago but I feel the pain my friends go through every day and continue to associate with IV.
I have read through each and every post made in this thread and these are good responses. There are some very good proposals - some likely to benefit a small set of
people ( GC's for Master's from US universities) and others wide encompassing.
I think the fix for this needs to go beyond smaller subsets of people.
A single master stroke is not going to erase the backlog it will need a series of fixes and the best way to go about it is to push for 1 or 2 main goals which will eliminate most of the issues. IV's core efforts are in the right direction.
IV'ians need to be united in getting a broadly accepted solution to majority of people rather than a small minority. Clearly my allegiance lies with people with priority dates which are more than 5 years old, people who are stuck in backlog centers, name check's and unexplained delays for no fault of theirs. This is not to belittle other people who are in the line for their GC's everybody have to wait their turn.
Friends who are espousing the cause of faster GC's for US Masters, do not sit on the high pedestal and belittle the people who came in on 'work visas'. They have as much right as you to have that 'Green card'. The time is not to fight EB2 vs EB3 or by ethnicity. A big deluge starts with a small drop of water, let us begin somewhere and once we get a fix to the larger problem other things will fall in place.
oh for the people who are ready to bash me, please see my profile, been in this country since 1996 and earned 2 Masters and yet classified as EB3 by employer. Yes I joined IV late officially but I try to do my bit in whatever way I can.
- cheers
kris
Totoro
Commendable effort. The ideas presented in the forum and your personal experience as well as some research by you were taken to the people who might have some say in this process. The outcome of it does not matter right now, atleast the process has started and we need to follow on it with some targeted activity. Lot of my fellow IV'ians gave suggestions and some presented stories too. I did come across this thread only today and I missed out on an opportunity to present my story but nevertheless others have done so, i am somewhat lucky that despite the pain and hardship I did get my GC a year and half ago but I feel the pain my friends go through every day and continue to associate with IV.
I have read through each and every post made in this thread and these are good responses. There are some very good proposals - some likely to benefit a small set of
people ( GC's for Master's from US universities) and others wide encompassing.
I think the fix for this needs to go beyond smaller subsets of people.
A single master stroke is not going to erase the backlog it will need a series of fixes and the best way to go about it is to push for 1 or 2 main goals which will eliminate most of the issues. IV's core efforts are in the right direction.
IV'ians need to be united in getting a broadly accepted solution to majority of people rather than a small minority. Clearly my allegiance lies with people with priority dates which are more than 5 years old, people who are stuck in backlog centers, name check's and unexplained delays for no fault of theirs. This is not to belittle other people who are in the line for their GC's everybody have to wait their turn.
Friends who are espousing the cause of faster GC's for US Masters, do not sit on the high pedestal and belittle the people who came in on 'work visas'. They have as much right as you to have that 'Green card'. The time is not to fight EB2 vs EB3 or by ethnicity. A big deluge starts with a small drop of water, let us begin somewhere and once we get a fix to the larger problem other things will fall in place.
oh for the people who are ready to bash me, please see my profile, been in this country since 1996 and earned 2 Masters and yet classified as EB3 by employer. Yes I joined IV late officially but I try to do my bit in whatever way I can.
- cheers
kris
Michael chertoff
05-04 11:17 PM
Well deserved one MC. Good to see you get it. Was a fun ride
Thanks Bitz,
11 years in USA,
F1 - H1, never paid a single penny to any attorney in last 11 years, i did all paperwork by myself.
Joined IV by many names. i am part of IV since beginning, even before Pappu
KAKA got banned
Dalai Lama got banned
Then MC still here.
IV is a great platform for us, i am willing to help IV in any ways.
Best of luck to all
Special Thanks to Teddy for his hardwork.
MC
Thanks Bitz,
11 years in USA,
F1 - H1, never paid a single penny to any attorney in last 11 years, i did all paperwork by myself.
Joined IV by many names. i am part of IV since beginning, even before Pappu
KAKA got banned
Dalai Lama got banned
Then MC still here.
IV is a great platform for us, i am willing to help IV in any ways.
Best of luck to all
Special Thanks to Teddy for his hardwork.
MC
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indio0617
05-15 10:20 PM
For filing I 485 I know you need to submit birth certificate and marriage certificate. Do both of these have to be originals or copies are fine ?
Thanks
Only copies are required.
Thanks
Only copies are required.
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saileshdude
04-08 07:55 PM
Enough is enough. I am ready to sign this.
I have 3 real names. All were working for Cognizant. One had 3 years of exp. Cooked up with 4 years of B.Tech and totalled it as 7 years. Came on L1 as PM and applied in EB1. He got GC in less than 1 year. Other 2 had real 7 years exp and got GC's in 8 months. All were working at Client's place and NOT intra company transfers.
I am not selfish. But I am sure this guy with 3 years exp may one day become a boss for any of us.
This misuse will hurt the genuine cases. Shall we we go serious and complaint? I am ready to sign and submit all the proof.
Actually I have heard of another cognizant case. But that was through a friend's friend chain so I am not sure how reliable it was. But seems like cognizant has been following this practice a lot.
I have 3 real names. All were working for Cognizant. One had 3 years of exp. Cooked up with 4 years of B.Tech and totalled it as 7 years. Came on L1 as PM and applied in EB1. He got GC in less than 1 year. Other 2 had real 7 years exp and got GC's in 8 months. All were working at Client's place and NOT intra company transfers.
I am not selfish. But I am sure this guy with 3 years exp may one day become a boss for any of us.
This misuse will hurt the genuine cases. Shall we we go serious and complaint? I am ready to sign and submit all the proof.
Actually I have heard of another cognizant case. But that was through a friend's friend chain so I am not sure how reliable it was. But seems like cognizant has been following this practice a lot.
indianabacklog
10-12 07:37 AM
Sussie,
Your letter nor the proposed drft amendment to CSPA does not talk about the children of parents who applied their GC under employment based category and got stuck in the Labor Card approval stage for years and when labor got approved and I140 also got approved then again stuck due to Visa retrogression. We must include injustice being done to these children and should ask for retrospective amendment to CSPA to provide relief.
If you are in Illinois are you near enough to try and meet with Richard Durbin, he professes to caring about the children of illegal immigrants. Maybe he needs to put a face to a situation of the forgotten children of legal employment based adjustees to push him into realizing they even exist and he does them an injustice with his DREAM act.
I am a parent of an aged out child. It sucks, quite frankly. Never sure what to say to him when this issue is discussed. I would be happy to become more active on this issue.
How many of us are on this site, does anyone know. Each of us trying to work individually is not going to be as effective as a joint effort.
Your letter nor the proposed drft amendment to CSPA does not talk about the children of parents who applied their GC under employment based category and got stuck in the Labor Card approval stage for years and when labor got approved and I140 also got approved then again stuck due to Visa retrogression. We must include injustice being done to these children and should ask for retrospective amendment to CSPA to provide relief.
If you are in Illinois are you near enough to try and meet with Richard Durbin, he professes to caring about the children of illegal immigrants. Maybe he needs to put a face to a situation of the forgotten children of legal employment based adjustees to push him into realizing they even exist and he does them an injustice with his DREAM act.
I am a parent of an aged out child. It sucks, quite frankly. Never sure what to say to him when this issue is discussed. I would be happy to become more active on this issue.
How many of us are on this site, does anyone know. Each of us trying to work individually is not going to be as effective as a joint effort.
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snathan
03-25 10:47 AM
believers or non believers.
If for a social and noble cause, I can *donate*. If asked for what IV did, I cannot *participate*. if explained what we can change and with transparency and patience while eating a humble pie, i can *participate* *contribute* *put IV on a map* *market* Well thats just my view.
Nice analogy but note that IV for me is like samplers. If I like what is being offered, I would donate. If I want some thing to be given as sampler, I will buy, contribute and market it. I cannot donate for samplers which were given before I knew abt it, even though some good people got benefited.
You will not talk all these analogy if you dont have the precious EAD. Since you have it.. well. If you dont believe it, just keep quit rather than berating IV and other's effort.
If for a social and noble cause, I can *donate*. If asked for what IV did, I cannot *participate*. if explained what we can change and with transparency and patience while eating a humble pie, i can *participate* *contribute* *put IV on a map* *market* Well thats just my view.
Nice analogy but note that IV for me is like samplers. If I like what is being offered, I would donate. If I want some thing to be given as sampler, I will buy, contribute and market it. I cannot donate for samplers which were given before I knew abt it, even though some good people got benefited.
You will not talk all these analogy if you dont have the precious EAD. Since you have it.. well. If you dont believe it, just keep quit rather than berating IV and other's effort.
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apnair2002
06-20 06:28 PM
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory?id=2099633
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onemaveric
07-24 02:48 PM
i will call them up and post my experience here.
EndlessWait,
Please dont forget to post the information after your conversation with the local SSN office. My wife is on the same boat too.
EndlessWait,
Please dont forget to post the information after your conversation with the local SSN office. My wife is on the same boat too.
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h1techSlave
09-25 05:35 PM
I agree with all your options, but have to add one one more option.
Option 4: Get DOS to do the spill over allocation on a quarterly basis.
Lets not get sidetracked by Mr Skillz with a Z.
Options for EB3I relief:
Option 1: CIR - This is not in the picture right now. Nobody knows when this is going to happen and I think we should not even bother to look upon this as a short term measure.
Option 2:Recapture of visas - Again this has to go through the legislative process. With the current political climate, it is going to take a tough task to get this one in as well.
Option 3:Re-intepreting and changing the spill over rule: This can be done without any legislative changes and USCIS can be asked to look on this if we can really force them to.
Steps to execute Option 3:
* Collect and consolidate all the data in a spreadsheet from the latest 485 inventory to the yearly reports of adjudicated cases
* Create a what if analysis for the next 3-5 years for EB2 I and EB3 I
* Create analysis to show what will happen with the old rule and changed interpretation of spill over
* Create a nice presentation
* Contact Senators, congressmen, USCIS and walk them through our presentation
Hopefully that can change their mind or atleast we gave our best shot.
Add your thoughts and inputs and let us create a plan on executing this, if folks want to do it.
Option 4: Get DOS to do the spill over allocation on a quarterly basis.
Lets not get sidetracked by Mr Skillz with a Z.
Options for EB3I relief:
Option 1: CIR - This is not in the picture right now. Nobody knows when this is going to happen and I think we should not even bother to look upon this as a short term measure.
Option 2:Recapture of visas - Again this has to go through the legislative process. With the current political climate, it is going to take a tough task to get this one in as well.
Option 3:Re-intepreting and changing the spill over rule: This can be done without any legislative changes and USCIS can be asked to look on this if we can really force them to.
Steps to execute Option 3:
* Collect and consolidate all the data in a spreadsheet from the latest 485 inventory to the yearly reports of adjudicated cases
* Create a what if analysis for the next 3-5 years for EB2 I and EB3 I
* Create analysis to show what will happen with the old rule and changed interpretation of spill over
* Create a nice presentation
* Contact Senators, congressmen, USCIS and walk them through our presentation
Hopefully that can change their mind or atleast we gave our best shot.
Add your thoughts and inputs and let us create a plan on executing this, if folks want to do it.
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thescadaman
02-15 10:21 AM
For a full participation, I would recommend a red-eye on Tuesday or at least a flight after 9pm est.
Please excuse my ignorance but what is a "red-eye" ?
There is a flight leaving BWI airport by 9:15p - I guess that may be a good option?
What are the options to travel from BWI Airport to IV gathering point?
Please excuse my ignorance but what is a "red-eye" ?
There is a flight leaving BWI airport by 9:15p - I guess that may be a good option?
What are the options to travel from BWI Airport to IV gathering point?
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Macaca
01-18 09:21 PM
people this is such less amount, ready to pay so much money for renewing visas etc, but you can't sign up for 20 or 50 every month. This is really becoming like begging..I do understand everyone has family commitment and other financial need but $20/month is not too much !!
20/month is a joke for EB retrogression removal. It costs $15+/day for metro + car parking, to Washington DC.
Is it possible to know how many members have not paid a penny so far? Thanks.
20/month is a joke for EB retrogression removal. It costs $15+/day for metro + car parking, to Washington DC.
Is it possible to know how many members have not paid a penny so far? Thanks.
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vagish
04-09 10:15 PM
Exactly ,
No body is forcing any one to do any unethical things that applies for consultants as well as consulting companies. If any one does anything illegal they will meet the fate of Enron, Anderson or CA.
No one is forcing any one to work for a desi consulting company, If anyone does not like them they always have the option of choosing a new employer or leaving the country.
No company is going to pay for a consultant if consultant does not deliver what client wants.
Hope economy will be strong no one has to see tbe bad days of 2001 and 2002 which I have seen personally .
Just recently two american mortgage lendors have laid off people in Southern California without any consideration for immigration status. These companies have people of all kinds which include "US educated" and direct H1s and their green card applicaitons in various stages. All these people have to start all over again. I feel sorry for these guys.
All the guys thinking about H1b "reform" think twice before what you wish for.
It may come down to a point they we may not want to pursue this struggle,
iam not discourgaging anybody, but any EB reform will face stiff opposition, they will attach lot's of riders to it. At the end people will wonder is the EB reform is even worth with so many strrings attached to it.
thanks
No body is forcing any one to do any unethical things that applies for consultants as well as consulting companies. If any one does anything illegal they will meet the fate of Enron, Anderson or CA.
No one is forcing any one to work for a desi consulting company, If anyone does not like them they always have the option of choosing a new employer or leaving the country.
No company is going to pay for a consultant if consultant does not deliver what client wants.
Hope economy will be strong no one has to see tbe bad days of 2001 and 2002 which I have seen personally .
Just recently two american mortgage lendors have laid off people in Southern California without any consideration for immigration status. These companies have people of all kinds which include "US educated" and direct H1s and their green card applicaitons in various stages. All these people have to start all over again. I feel sorry for these guys.
All the guys thinking about H1b "reform" think twice before what you wish for.
It may come down to a point they we may not want to pursue this struggle,
iam not discourgaging anybody, but any EB reform will face stiff opposition, they will attach lot's of riders to it. At the end people will wonder is the EB reform is even worth with so many strrings attached to it.
thanks
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rb_248
05-15 09:50 AM
From my understanding you cannot apply for CP unless you have mentioned that you will go for CP when you applied for I-140. Please correct em if I am wrong.
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arkrish68
05-26 01:39 PM
EAD Paper mailed on 5/8 to Phoenix Lockbox.
Received on 5/10 as per the tracking number by Phoenix Lockbox.
No receipt notice or the cheques were not encashed. Called the National Service Center and was told to wait 30 days to get the receipt notice. :mad: is anyone in similar situation.
Received on 5/10 as per the tracking number by Phoenix Lockbox.
No receipt notice or the cheques were not encashed. Called the National Service Center and was told to wait 30 days to get the receipt notice. :mad: is anyone in similar situation.
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santb1975
04-15 06:57 PM
Glad to see you back. Feels great to see a Nor. Cal member here
We have 16 more weeks for the SF event. That is plenty. We need you to make this successful
Great initiative and kudos to NolaIndian for making it happen!
I love to go for long walks, so count me in for that part! Not sure if I can commit myself to the SF event... need some more time to make up my mind on this one!
We have 16 more weeks for the SF event. That is plenty. We need you to make this successful
Great initiative and kudos to NolaIndian for making it happen!
I love to go for long walks, so count me in for that part! Not sure if I can commit myself to the SF event... need some more time to make up my mind on this one!
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gr_b
04-08 05:01 PM
Have u got any updates on ur application?They have mentioned "three weeks" as the standard time frame on the website....i guess yours has been there for three weeks.....have u heard anything from them?
I'll get more details tomorrow. They still didn't find my application...today one agent told me that she will do the research and get back to me.
I'll get more details tomorrow. They still didn't find my application...today one agent told me that she will do the research and get back to me.
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sanjeev
01-19 04:38 PM
Please check your spam folder if you do not see a email from IV as yet, number of times genuine emails get into this folder when emails are sent through a mass email program. Put IV's email address into your address book and next time it should come directly to your Inbox.
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sands
07-21 04:02 PM
E-Filed - May 12
finger printing May 31
No update after that.
finger printing May 31
No update after that.
eeezzz
07-17 09:16 PM
Is it still going to follow the country quota(9700/year ?) even now they set you current and accept your I-485 ?
If the answer is yes and if it is like wc_user said the approval will still be based on PD, then that will still be quite a long time to wait for your GC for many people here.
If the answer is yes and if it is like wc_user said the approval will still be based on PD, then that will still be quite a long time to wait for your GC for many people here.
go_gc_way
06-17 10:32 AM
GCKarma,
How do u know that CIR is dead..? I could not any information on the link provided.
I do not know any thing like this where people on H1 (I am not forgetting L1s and others .. :) ) have come together and voiced a request to hear our problem and reduce retrogression.
I wish this goes forward .. Plan B, I think SKILL BILL (?) must be put in to thought.
Yes I read It wont come to a debate until the current one is resolved. I also read , the effort will continue until this problem is looked in to and helped.
CIR may not be completely over ... but discussing Plan B would be good.
How do u know that CIR is dead..? I could not any information on the link provided.
I do not know any thing like this where people on H1 (I am not forgetting L1s and others .. :) ) have come together and voiced a request to hear our problem and reduce retrogression.
I wish this goes forward .. Plan B, I think SKILL BILL (?) must be put in to thought.
Yes I read It wont come to a debate until the current one is resolved. I also read , the effort will continue until this problem is looked in to and helped.
CIR may not be completely over ... but discussing Plan B would be good.
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